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Offline Houston George

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2017, 07:46:02 PM »
This may be a dumb question, but without TTL, does it automatically enter HSS mode when the shutter speed exceeds standard sync? or is that a manual adjustment. 
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2017, 09:45:48 AM »
Not dumb, I had to (GASP!) read the manual before I found it to test.  I was looking on the remote, as on some other units.  If you look at the photo of the strobe, HSS is the 'lightning arrow' button with the H, immediately under the Menu button.  The button just below the HSS is the modeling lamp, a 10w LED with 3 positions - dim, bright, brighter - but it works.

I believe that if it were the TTL edition, that would be an auto function, as you surmised.  I'll check that out myself when I can.  At the moment it's packed away in prep for a client shoot.  I'm trying to arrange a real world test with a model soon.  Bottom line, unless or until something changes in my experience of this light, I find myself wishing my other 10 strobes - all Paul Buff - were AD600's as well.  Since I try to stay in the real world, that won't happen, but it will be the foundation of my lighting "go bag" for location quick stuff, augmented by Canon speedlights on Phottix Odins for maximum compatibility.

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2017, 05:53:52 PM »
Ok, so you're exclusively in either HSS or standard flash mode and must switch between the two. Sounds easy enough with the push of a button, and I assume the transmitter will enable HSS too. I'm curious to hear about the HSS output.
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2017, 10:27:54 PM »
Let's see some samples!
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2017, 04:55:59 PM »
Wouldn't you just enable HSS and not worry about it? The switch is no different from say a 580EX-II where you enable HSS mode otherwise you cap at 1/256. I assume this switch does the same thing for the strobe?

In other words, you don't "Switch over". You simply allow the flash to enter into high speed zone versus don't allow it.
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2017, 09:27:36 AM »
I haven't confirmed this yet, but it seems from reading that the HSS button, once activated, will remain in operation, even if you drop the shutter speed to the normal sync speed for a time, then return to higher shutter speeds.  What I'll want to confirm is whether the HSS setting reverts to a default of non-HSS once you turn the strobe unit off, change batteries, turn the R2 off, turn off the camera, etc.

I need to arrange a test with a model, but the one I'd settled on is in Ohio for the week.  I can seek another or wait.  The days have been very chopped up with smaller jobs and meetings, too.  To go out and play with it, I want 2-4 hours with nothing pressing so I can put it through some paces and learn real world limitations and benefits.

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2017, 12:19:29 PM »
That will be interesting to see. If it is not a hard switch, does it remember the last setting? That could be a good or bad thing, depending on shooting style.
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2017, 12:30:32 PM »
FWIW, the Witstro AD360 does not remember the setting if the device is disconnected from the power supply. It DOES remember it so long as you remain connected to the battery (whether it is on or off).

Also something I never realized is that the AD360 only has power adjustments of 1/1, 1/8, 1/4 and 1/2 when using HSS mode. Does the AD600 allow the full power range?
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2017, 11:03:18 PM »
Well, after waiting for an opportunity to use the Flashpoint AD600 in a working situation, here are some unretouched jpegs from today's shoot.  Model Katie is extraordinary, and the AD600 was able to keep up under conditions I considered to be extreme.  Namely, HSS with my 5DMKIII set for the faster motor drive (up to 7 frames per second).  If you understand what HSS is requiring of a flash, this, to me, is remarkable performance.  I'm shooting in low light, cloudy (about to rain) daylight at ISO 400, 1/500 sec, f4.5 for the black outfit and for the red dress, ISO 800, in heavy shadow, f4 1/400 sec.  Both obviously requiring high speed sync at those shutter speeds, and it didn't miss a frame.  The power settings are 1/128 and 1/128 +.3 through a 36" octobox camera left.  For the red dress, a second light was added for separation; a Canon 580EXII fired through a 20 degree MagMod Grid and MagSphere, to shape and soften, at 1/8 power.  All strobes controlled and triggered from the camera by wireless remotes; the R2 for the AD600, and a Phottix Odin for the Canon.   The main light is from 4-5 feet from Katie.  The series is an example of the consistency maintained throughout high frame rate bursts with HSS.  The HSS did go a tad magenta, but that's an easy correction.
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2017, 10:34:27 AM »
In answer to Darren's question about HSS in the whole power range, I think so.  I didn't remember his question and cannot confirm that, however, so the answer remains undetermined.  Everything was shot at 1/128 power according to my having metered the ambient as f4, then set the power to be the same in order to have a soft transition and natural looking effect.  f4 at my working distance required 1/128

I can confirm that, as soon as I moved my shutter speed to settings above 1/200 second, the AD600 with the R2 transmitter automatically switched to HSS, as did the Phottix Odin attached (see previous posts) for the Canon second light used with the red dress.  The commensurate power fall-off in HSS required a change of ISO to 400 and then to 800 to keep the exposures where I wanted them.  Out of 350 frames, I found only 1 failure to fire.  That's astonishing. 

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2017, 03:59:31 PM »
Thanks for the write up Jeff. It seems like an impressive little light. I was on the fence between the AD600 and the Orlit Rovelight RT610. I ended up going with the Orlit simply because it had less plastic parts. The two seemed to be pretty much on par with each other as far as performance.

I used it four times then it wouldn't fire. Most likely a faulty flash tube. I returned it to Adorama and just received it back today. That's the best thing about places like Adorama and B&H, they have great customer service. Since I do almost exclusively product shots I don't see myself getting into HSS or even too much into TTL but it's nice to know it's there should I need it.

I'll have to set up a test run similar to what you presented here to see what this light can do.
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2017, 04:27:53 PM »
I hadn't paid attention to the Rovelight, although I'd seen them as I researched the AD600.  It looks like the functionality is very similar, with the bonus of built in compatibility with Canon's 600RT tech.  That's helpful as all heck.  I don't much care for Canon's interface on the in-camera flash menu for my 6D, 5D3 or 7D2, but it's still a real world solution.  I just haven't messed with it for 2-3 years or so, ever since I started using triggers like the Yongnuo 622TX, the Phottix Odin or now the Flashpoint R2.  So the Canon menu may not present the same objections as before, but I wouldn't know.   

Bottom line, I hope yours now works as it should and continues to do so.   If so, give us a write up!

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2017, 06:04:11 PM »
Turns out I REALLY like the photos I shot of Katie.  Problem is, I missed focus on too many excellent shots.  Turns out I did not have AI Servo properly tuned up. I was using it because Katie was moving and swishing her hair and all sorts of things to not be static.  So I though AI Servo would be best, even though she was trying to adhere to a line.  Working at f4 and f4.5, there was no room for missed focus.  Sadly, my bad, I did miss - a lot. In looking at the portion of the 5D MK III that deals with the new improved AI Servo, I had mostly found it baffling, back when I got it.  So left it in the default settings.  Big mistake.  After that disappointing discovery, I went online and found several much better tutorials on setting up AI Servo.  This is one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMXqfOCXA7E  There's a series from Canon that I found to be much more helpful than the book.

Examples?  Some are just fine, too many are too far out.  This headshot is slightly out, but Photoshop's Shake Reduction filter pretty much saved it.  Others, like the torso length here, are OK at that framing.  The face isn't large enough to be obvious. But cropped in tightly, as in the second image, it's more apparent.

Because I'm almost always shooting a more static kind of subject matter - food, jewelry, products - I never worried too much about AI Servo until this project (my own, thank goodness)  It'd be good to hear from anyone having solid experience getting AI Servo to work its best.


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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2017, 07:10:52 AM »
I'm just going to say that I prefer more separation (shadow) between the jaw and the neck on the side where the flash hit.

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2017, 10:23:00 PM »
I just received my Flashpoint AD200 on Wednesday and am so impressed, ordered another one today, plus a second R2 transmitter to ease multiple camaera use.  In addition I sold 4 Speedlights, 4 YN 622c and a YN622TX-C.  Kept a couple of 580EX II for one thing or another, plus both the Phootox Odin and another set of Yongnuos.  Point is, the Li-Ion battery and compatibility with the AD 600 makes the most potent location system I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, the LED attachment in the link above is getting bad reviews, as in DOA.  Not typical of Godox/Flashpoint at all but it makes me glad I only want it for the flash.

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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2017, 08:39:34 AM »
Unfortunately, the LED attachment in the link above is getting bad reviews, as in DOA.  Not typical of Godox/Flashpoint at all but it makes me glad I only want it for the flash.

Strange. Hopefully that gets worked out. It's a pretty cool add-on.

BTW - Godox responded to my email support request with the ETTL failure on my Ving. I'm working with them to troubleshoot and am hopeful I'll be able to send it in to them. Will report back.
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Re: Nice little package, but on the fence on price
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2017, 12:51:20 PM »
In my continuing praise of the Godox/Flashpoint flash system, here's the first actual shoot I did with it.  These kids are from a friend's family, for whom I'm doing their wedding (one of about 1-2 per year).  This is from their engagement session, the photo taken on an overlook at the top of the Catoctin Mountains, toward  Middletown, MD. in shadow behind them.   The couple are in full sun, about 5 PM, sun to their back - camera right, 1/125, f6.3, 200mm ISO 100.  The AD200 is on 1/8 or 1/4 power, I forget which, using a MagMod Sphere and is about 8 ft away, where there was secure footing for the assistant.

P.S.  The couple asked for posing and direction, which I love.  It may be old school, but I like it.