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General Discussion / Re: "Running" Photography
« Last post by Duck on Today at 01:17:27 AM »
Nice. Clear, concise and politically correct for a broad audience without a lot of reading. Moving forward remember that attention spans on social media sites are short. If you can't capture them within seconds you're wasting effort. Too much crap to compete with.  ;)
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Introductions / Re: Hello from Akron by way of Boston!
« Last post by Natural on January 20, 2018, 08:56:59 PM »
greetings, dennis.
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Introductions / Hello from New Jersey
« Last post by Natural on January 20, 2018, 08:55:58 PM »
Good evening

Good to be here.  I've been on a few forums throughout my career but no longer active because I don't remember which ones they were, basically. I've bookmarked this site so I won't lose it.

Started out in photography at 17, over 26 years ago, don't do the math, i'm 46, i think.  i don't do math.  started out with a canon ae-1 and now i'm an olympus m4/3 lover.  recently, i bought a canon 6d and two lenses because i photographed a low light event with no flash, my preference, and i sat at the computer longer than i wanted to getting rid of noise. i do not do a lot of post-processing to the majority of my images.  so i bought a system that could better handle my low light no flash jobs. 

most of my images are of fine art, but i recently shifted to pet photography (people, family portraits, lifestyle and events if requested).  working on getting business, learning seo, marketing in between the jobs i've gotten.  things are slow now but i anticipate business picking up.

so hi, i'm valerie, but i use the name natural from my bowling days, short for ntrlwmn. naturalwoman.   waves hello to everyone.
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General Discussion / Re: "Running" Photography
« Last post by Cory on January 20, 2018, 09:07:01 AM »
That's amazing.  I think I caught everything you said.  Will go over again to see if I missed anything, but you really helped me tighten it up -

   Welcome to Running Photography where you may share your best "winning" race-day photos.
All photos should be your own taken in a public race-day setting and be in good taste with nothing embarrassing or unflattering.
   In Running Photography we speak the universal languages of running and photography with the ultimate goal of seeking constant improvement with no limit to our creative potential.
   No amount of technical expertise will be more important than understanding the subject and doing so at a high level shows through in the pictures that you capture.
   Thank you and please remain true to the theme of this page. We're all friends here. May Running Photography be your place to chill out and enjoy the work of other like-minded photographers and athletes.
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General Discussion / Re: "Running" Photography
« Last post by Duck on January 20, 2018, 04:37:41 AM »
I think you did it.  Yes? -

    Welcome to the Running Photography Facebook Group where you may share your best race-day "winning" photos.

Formatting is limited on facebook. Since the name of the group is derived from to common words, running and photography, the group name gets a little lost. By enclosing the name "Running Photography Facebook Group" in quotes (along with capitalization) you are referring to the group rather than two activities. (If that makes sense.)  8)

Also consider rephrasing the words, 'your best race-day "winning" photos' to 'your best "winning" race-day photos." The first is asking for race-day photos of people winning while the latter asks for images the photographer deems to be exceptional. ;D

Another thing to consider is branding. Is the name of the group "Running Photography" or "Running Photography Facebook Group"? Whichever it is, the name should be consistent throughout all your correspondences.

    All photos should be your own taken in a public race-day setting and be in good taste with nothing embarrassing or unflattering.
    In Running Photography we speak the universal languages of running and photography with the ultimate goal of seeking constant improvement with no limit to our creative potential.

I initially removed this second iteration of the name as it was redundant. You established the group's name in the opening sentence and you can simply refer back to that sentence by saying, "this group". I did this because the same words appear again within this same sentence. Pacing-wise you say the words running photography three times within the space of three sentences.  :-\

    No amount of technical expertise will be more important than understanding the subject and doing so at a high level shows through in the pictures that you capture. 
    Thank you and please remain true to the theme of this page.  We're all friends here.  May Running Photography be your place to chill out and enjoy the work of other like-minded photographers and athletes.

Little nitpicks, but I hope they're useful.
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General Discussion / Re: "Running" Photography
« Last post by Cory on January 19, 2018, 09:30:29 PM »
I think you did it.  Yes? -

    Welcome to the Running Photography Facebook Group where you may share your best race-day "winning" photos.
    All photos should be your own taken in a public race-day setting and be in good taste with nothing embarrassing or unflattering.
    In Running Photography we speak the universal languages of running and photography with the ultimate goal of seeking constant improvement with no limit to our
creative potential. 
    No amount of technical expertise will be more important than understanding the subject and doing so at a high level shows through in the pictures that you capture. 
    Thank you and please remain true to the theme of this page.  We're all friends here.  May Running Photography be your place to chill out and enjoy the work of other like-minded photographers and athletes.
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General Discussion / Re: "Running" Photography
« Last post by Cory on January 19, 2018, 09:18:01 PM »
Really appreciated.  Everything you said makes a lot of sense and I'm copy/pasting your revised Description and will rewrite it later tonight.
Truly appreciated.  Thanks.
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General Discussion / Re: "Running" Photography
« Last post by Duck on January 19, 2018, 03:43:52 PM »
Definitely go with your passion. When you do something you enjoy it will never feel like work.

I photograph Jeep events in my area that I attend and have become the 'unofficial' photographer at several of the bigger events. I put up my images on my website which is hosted by SmugMug. They have arrangements with a few image fulfilment companies (I use White House Custom Color) you can choose from. SmugMug has client side shopping carts to handle order taking and fulfillment without any input from me. This lets me upload and forget about it.

At the events I hand out business cards, with instructions on where and how to find the images I take, to everyone. I hand them out like candy because if people don't know then they won't buy. I also advertise through the various standard Facebook channels these events promote on. It's not a big money maker by any means, but a bit here and a bit there... you know.

On a side note... the copywriter in me sees your group description as overly wordy and a bit confusing. If you don't mind, I have edited your text to reduce it down, remove redundancies as well as remove personal opinions and some unrealistic restrictions.

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Welcome to "Running Photography" Facebook Group where you can share 'race-day' photos.

Pick your best winning shots taken in a public area. All pictures should be in good taste, nothing embarrassing or unflattering, and images you took yourself.

In this group we speak two universal languages; running and photography, with the goal of improving our skill without limiting our creative potential.

In my opinion, the single critical element to this type of photography is understanding how important the runners are. They are doing the hard work - we're just taking the picture.

No amount of technical expertise will be as important than understanding the subject, and doing so at a high level shows through in the pictures that we capture.

Thank you and please remain true to the theme of this page. We're all friends here. Let "Running Photography" be your place to chill out and chat with other like minded individuals.

Here are my reasons for making some of those changes. Realize that these are my opinions, and you can dismiss them if you want. I just thought I'd share a different point of view.
  • The "no children" is unrealistic as it is inevitable to photograph juvenile runners. There are race classifications for junior runners and that would alienate parents, relatives, coaches and friends who want to share these kinds of images. Specially since it is not illegal to do so. I understand your reason. It's just unrealistic to impose that on everyone else.
  • The "get all riled up about stuff" is a bit preachy and, again, this is a global community where you really can't control that. Common courtesy is universal so if you need to moderate bad behavior that will be understood. You don't need a comment like that in the group description.
This text should be brief, inviting and to the point. Short and simple is best. Hope this helps.
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Introductions / Re: Interior photos -- pricing/licensing question
« Last post by Mike Nykoruk on January 19, 2018, 01:52:32 PM »
Another thing to keep in mind is what the photos are worth to the company.  It's not the cost of your hourly, but what is the value of their use.  For a builder, they are very valuable to sell the next client with.  Great photography makes his quality of work show through, and will be valuable to him.  Make sure he is aware of this concept. 
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General Discussion / "Running" Photography
« Last post by Cory on January 19, 2018, 12:47:54 PM »
     I've been volunteering for an 11-race series through the winter and have developed quite a reputation as someone who photographs races better than anyone.  I first got involved by trying to become a good runner.  Not there yet, but these guys have really helped me so I couldn't say no (although I do say "no" a lot now because it gets totally out of hand if I don't).
     Anyway, I just put this FB page together and will start posting pics from this Sunday's race -

     https://www.facebook.com/groups/RunningPhotography/

     I think I'd like this to be my thing and developing a business around this is really a natural progression from what I've already accomplished.
     The standard (for the bigger races, anyway) is to have several photographers all over the place and charge runners a ridiculously high price for below-average pictures.
     What I'd like to do, for starters anyway, is focus on smaller local races.  Maybe charge a nominal fee to the race director just to cover the basics and then set up a system for runners to purchase very high quality pics at a very reasonable price. 
     Not sure where it'll evolve to, but I think that makes sense.
     Please don't hesitate with any insight if you get a chance and, in particular, what platform might be best to have a site where runners buy pics of themselves from.
     Many thanks.
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